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St John the Baptist Church Bromsgrove 8 of ?

I have been unable to discover who this geezer was but clearly he was of some importance, at least locally, in his day 


St John the Baptist Church Bromsgrove 8 of ?

I have been unable to discover who this geezer was but clearly he was of some importance, at least locally, in his day 


comments (19)

  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 17 Nov 2015, 01:07
"Erected" seems somehow inappropriate for a reclining figure, Bill.
Bill Phillips: I suspect it was once upright and fell over for some reason and was plonked on here
Locally famous... hopefully for more than 15 minutes.
Bill Phillips: An early talent show star perhaps Larry
Strange that such a prominent grave should be unknown, Bill. I liked Mcguiness flint, they were good, weren't they post Manfred Mann?
Bill Phillips: Tom McGuinness was. Flint was the ex drummer with John Mayall. The other members were Gallagher and Lyle who later had success as a duo of course.
Quite an interesting way of presenting someone Bill!
Bill Phillips: Looks like it was upright originally Richard.
  • Philine
  • Germany
  • 17 Nov 2015, 06:41
Does he have a head? - very interesting - if I had more time, I would like to research more about him.
Bill Phillips: Yes. I couldn't find anything on line Philine. I guess if I went to the parish cords there would be something
  • Alan
  • United Kingdom
  • 17 Nov 2015, 07:17
Shame he has no feet. Did the plaque give you any leads? I can't make up much of the writing from Cumbria; perhaps if I was back home...
Bill Phillips: I failed miserably to fine anything but Tiffo has got all the gen in his comment....clever sod
  • Lisl
  • Batheaston, Bath
  • 17 Nov 2015, 07:30
He would be better off inside, Bill
Bill Phillips: I suspect he is past caring Lisl
  • Philine
  • Germany
  • 17 Nov 2015, 07:36
In the churchyard is a Large stone tomb, inclosed with tall iron rails, having a
very clumsy figure of a man lying thereon, in a night-gown and cap, his head on
a cushion, his hands on his breast. The heavy, clumsy appearance of the figure
may be accounted for by the fact that it was cut by a working miller, who evidently
mistook his calling when he turned his attention to stone caring. On the side
ol the tomb a brass shield was leaded into the stonework, bearing this inscription : —


To the memor)-


A'm. Chance, gent.

obi it Feb. 5

Bill Phillips: Mr C Phillips (no relation) has found some very interesting information
  • Chris
  • England
  • 17 Nov 2015, 07:40
The Chance family originates from Burgundy, a region of France where the family has been in evidence since ancient times. The family came to England during the invasion of 1066 where the family distinguished itself during the battle of Hastings. Duke William of Normandy, their lieged lord, rewarded the family for their distinguished service during the battle with significant lands.

I won't list them all here but over the centuries the name Chance has been recorded in many forms due to the difficulties in representing the sounds of words into written characters. Variations included Chaunce, Chawnce and even Chawne but it is the Chance spelling that predominates today. Despite the similarities, it is considered unlikely that the Chance family has any links to the Chauncy and the Chauncey families from the Eastern Counties of England but this is still to be proven either way.

It is believed that the Chance family settled in and around Bromsgrove in Worcestershire sometime in the 15th century but it may have been earlier. My branch of the family were evident in Oldswinford, another Worcestershire parish very close to Bromsgrove, from the late part of the sixteenth and the early part of the seventeenth centuries. In is not clear at this time how they came to move to Oldswinford. However, Oldswinford would have been considered easily reached on foot from Bromsgrove in those days, being about 8 miles as the crow flies but I am yet to find a direct link. My research continues.

Various members of the Chance family are well documented historically in the area. William the Merchant or William I of Birmingham as he is sometimes described, is thought to have lived out his life in Bromsgrove. Together with Edward Homer, William started 'Chance and Homer Merchants' in Newhall, Birmingham. William married Sarah Lucus and had a large family. Thus started the long established relationship between the Chance, Lucas and Homer families. William's sons, Robert Lucas Chance and William Chance II, followed their father into business with the famous 'Chance Brothers Glass Company'.
Bill Phillips: Well done Tiffo. Where did you find this information?
  • Philine
  • Germany
  • 17 Nov 2015, 08:54
"In Kenneth Macomb Chance's 'Chance Memorial Lecture' (see FP-CH/9/2), the Chance family are described as an old Worcestershire family of yeoman farmers, mainly from around Bromsgrove. The spelling of the surname as Chance, was generally adopted in the seventeenth century, when the line of the Chances of this collection can be clearly traced to William Chance, a farmer of Bromsgrove (1659-1739).

William Chance's son John (1687-1771), became a shoemaker (cordwainer) and John's son, also John (1711-1750) continued this business in Bromsgrove. John Chance's other sons, William (1713-1802) and Thomas (1721-1774) chose different professions; William became a saddler and later an ironmonger in Bromsgrove and Thomas a sea captain, but both remained batchelors and so it was John Chance's (1711-1750) children, William (1749-1828) and Sarah (1747-1776), who continued the family line. John Chance died when William and Sarah were still very young, and so, William Chance (1713-1802), their uncle, raised them and helped William to become a hardware merchant in Birmingham, with Edward Homer, a childhood friend, who became family on his marriage to Sarah Chance in 1773. In 1793, William Chance and Edward Homer joined in partnership with John Robert Lucas, a glass manufacturer of Bristol (Nailsea), and their brother in law, for in 1778 they had married his sisters (daughters of Robert Lucas of Bristol): William marrying Sarah Lucas and Edward, Mary Lucas (his first wife Sarah by then having died).

William and Sarah, had eight sons and five daughters, the eldest son died young but the second son, Robert Lucas Chance (1782-1865), went on to have a distinguished career in glass making. He joined the Birmingham business aged 12 and managed it at 14, but left Birmingham to join the glass business in Bristol in 1811. He continued in this arena becoming a glass merchant in London in 1815. On 18 May 1824, Robert Lucas bought from Joseph Stock, Thomas and Philip Palmer and Samuel Brookes, the British Crown Glass Company at Smethwick, which they had formed in 1814. Soon after buying the company Robert Lucas was joined by John Hartley who took over management of the Spon Lane Factory, and in 1831 by his brother William (1788-1856). In 1832 the company became the first sheet glass manufacturers in England, assisted by Georges Bontemps. Joined by James and John Hartley in 1834, the company changed its name to 'Chances and Hartleys', but on their departure in 1836, it became 'Chance Brothers & Co'. In 1840 the Company developed a process for manufacturing very thin glass for microscopic work which was not replaced until 1949, and in 1848 introduced the manufacture of optical glass for telescopes etc. The growing reputation of 'Chance Brothers & Co' can be evidenced in their commission to supply the glass for the Crystal Palace in Hyde Park, London, that housed the Great Exhibition in 1851."
Bill Phillips: You have been busy Philine. I have heard of Chance Glass but had not made the connection at all
Looking at the condition of the right hand end I think you might be right in saying it had fallen over at some time. Quite large isn't it.
Bill Phillips: Apparently not Brian. It was made like this by a fairly incompetent wannabe stone mason!
He was the tallest man in town.
Bill Phillips: Hahahahahaha
Perhaps he won a local lottery to have a fancy grave when he died.
Bill Phillips: I like that idea much more than all the facts Chad
There you are see, it's a game of Chance!
Bill Phillips: Oh you are a wit.......
  • elleplate
  • United Kingdom
  • 17 Nov 2015, 15:01
did he have a head?!! Looks a lovely autumn day there
Bill Phillips: I believe he did Sarah grin
Clearly a BIG man!
Bill Phillips: His nickname was Titch
  • Bonnie
  • United States
  • 17 Nov 2015, 18:31
Bill Phillips: It's not that bad gringringrin
well he chose a fine spot for sure, Bill
Bill Phillips: He has a prime position Ayush
  • Penny
  • just a short hop from Manchester
  • 18 Nov 2015, 00:53
This is one of my all time favourite songs, Bill - thanks for the memory.
Bill Phillips: I remember buying the single Penny!

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