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The Cathedral of the Marshes 5 of several

If I remember what Chris Phillips (no relation) said these pre-date the reformation and many have been disfigured at that time seems nothing changes in the world of religious intolerance 

The Cathedral of the Marshes 5 of several

If I remember what Chris Phillips (no relation) said these pre-date the reformation and many have been disfigured at that time seems nothing changes in the world of religious intolerance 

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Sad, isn't it... But the light you've captured on the wood is lovely!
Bill Phillips: Now it looks like ISIL is poised to destroy a world heritage site in Palmyra and are apparently behind a suicide bomb attack on a Shia mosque in Saudi Arabia leaving 10 dead.
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 22 May 2015, 05:18
Ah...religious intolerance...that which keeps religion vibrant!
Bill Phillips: I would ban any religious sect that doesn't unequivocally condemn killing and any form of violence. Wouldn't be many left
it's sad to see such wonderful art being disfigured Bill...
i love the way that you captured it in this light....petersmile
Bill Phillips: And still it goes on Peter. Look what ISIL have done in the middle East to irreplaceable sites of historic importance
So many things to say about religious intolerance Bill...Great capture!
Bill Phillips: It is a curse Richard
  • Chris
  • England
  • 22 May 2015, 06:31
There had been a lot of defacement in that place at some time in the past. Personally I would put the blame on those fun-loving people the Puritans, a joyless tribe guaranteed to make any party go with a swing..
Bill Phillips: They were miserable sods
I am so enamored by these ornaments at the end of church pews in Europe, Bill. This is one of the best I've seen, even though disfigured. (sigh)
Bill Phillips: This church was a highlight of the visit Ginnie as it has escaped any Victorian makeover
  • Lisl
  • England
  • 22 May 2015, 07:02
I have never seen such unusual bench-ends before, Bill. Mutilated or not, they are of great interest
Bill Phillips: You would love it here Lisl
  • Astrid
  • The Netherlands
  • 22 May 2015, 07:19
These are so wonderful, even disfigured. I love your POV. Too bad there is no respect. History is repeating. And they call themselves civilized??
Bill Phillips: Nothing changes. I saw a comment on facebook recently which basically said that all religions cannot be right so maybe they are just all wrong
This is very well taken Bill, you must have not been listening to my lessons in fotography.
Bill Phillips: Your techniques are too advanced for me so I just take proper pictures and to hell with it
  • blackdog
  • United Kingdom
  • 22 May 2015, 09:03
They seem to gain more power from their defacement - a testament to standing firm perhaps. Fine shot sir!
Bill Phillips: I am obliged to you Mike. They are also a testament to the long history of intolerance
I thought those marks were made from worm eaten wood.
Bill Phillips: Most of these figures have been deliberately defaced for being on the wrong side of the argument
  • Louis
  • South Africa
  • 22 May 2015, 15:17
It would do religious people of the Christian variety good to remember 'sola gratia' that implies that you cannot be saved by your deeds; it is by grace alone. Then they will keep their mitts off of other people's stuff and off each other. That is if the hon. Phillips (no relation to you) would prove to be right, which he probably is, since the Puritans supposedly purified the cathedral.

In modern times the task of disfiguring would go to feckless teenagers.
Bill Phillips: He is almost certainly right Louis. The Purtians are just one sect in a long line who destroy in the name of religion. The current frontrunners seem to be ISIL who are consumed by hatred of anyone who does not conform to their narrow set of beliefs.
  • Richard T
  • Suffolk: where the sun rises first in England
  • 22 May 2015, 16:30
This was the work of ''Basher Dousing''.
William Dowsing (1596–1668) was an English iconoclast who operated at the time of the English Civil War. Dowsing was a puritan soldier who was born in Laxfield, Suffolk. He was Provost-Marshall of the armies of the Eastern Association (Cambridgeshire, Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk, Hertfordshire, Huntingdonshire, and Lincolnshire), responsible for supplies and administration.

In 1643 he was appointed by their Captain-General, the Earl of Manchester as "Commissioner for the destruction of monuments of idolatry and superstition" to carry out a Parliamentary Ordinance of 28 August 1643 which stated that "all Monuments of Superstition and Idolatry should be removed and abolished", specifying: "fixed altars, altar rails, chancel steps, crucifixes, crosses, images of the Virgin Mary and pictures of saints or superstitious inscriptions." In May 1644 the scope of the Ordinance was widened to include representations of angels (a particular obsession of Dowsing's), rood lofts, holy water stoups, and images in stone, wood and glass and on plate.

Dowsing carried out his work in 1643-4 by visiting over 250 churches in Cambridgeshire and Suffolk, removing or defacing items that he thought fitted the requirements outlined in the Ordinance. He recruited assistants, apparently among his friends and family, and where they were unable to perform the work themselves he left instructions for the work to be carried out. Sometimes the local inhabitants assisted his work, but often he was met by resistance or non-co-operation. His commission, backed up by the ability to call on military force if necessary, meant that he usually got his way. He charged each church a noble (a third of a pound) for his services.

When Manchester, his patron, fell out with Oliver Cromwell in late 1644, his commission ceased.

Dowsing is unique amongst those who committed iconoclasm during this period because he left a journal recording much of what he did, with many detailed entries such as this one dated Haverhill, Suffolk, 6 January 1644:
Bill Phillips: Thank you for this interesting information Comrade. Clearly this man was a complete fruitcake
I suppose that if religion didn't give the lunatics an excuse, they'd find something else!
Bill Phillips: Sadly you are probably right Tom.
  • Anne
  • United Kingdom
  • 22 May 2015, 18:10
A great capture of this lovely wood
Bill Phillips: Thanks Anne. I wonder how many hands have touched it over the centuries?
  • Alan
  • United Kingdom
  • 22 May 2015, 21:48
Religion seems to be behind a lot of the trouble sin the world. Disfigured on not, they will see us out.
Bill Phillips: If religions followed their own teachings then it would be OK but they don't
Personal religious feelings aside from one person to another during the centuries I just feel bereft when I see what has been done to our heritage over the years, a lot of it deriving from Henry VIII, and now it's happening in the Middle east with this other lot!!!
Bill Phillips: It is very sad Brian. The distortion of beliefs is at the root. I don't mind what faith people want to follow but I doi object to being beheaded or blown up because I don't gree

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